Monday, November 26, 2012

Origin of the name Harrock Hall

Hi all
Sharon Bordeaux ( has been in touch regarding the origins of the name Harrock Hall. She is working on a local community project and they are keen to find out more information. Im afraid I dont know anything about this subject, but if any of you readers more local to that part of the UK can help Sharon please get in touch with her.

On 26 Nov 2012, at 13:06, sharon bordeaux wrote:

Hello Barbara,

I am working with a small group in my neighborhood looking back into the history of our area.  Our primary focus is on the section known as Harrock Hall.  We've noticed that name on maps dating into the early 1800's, and wanted to know who first called it Harrock Hall.  One of our group found the article about Harrock Hall in Lanchashire and we were excited and intrigued by a possible connection.

Recently, in mucking about on the internet I read the following excerpt from a genealogical text:

......The Box family came originally from England, and dates
back in Georgia to before the Revolutionary War. In the
house of a member of the family was to be seen some years
ago a beautifully illuminated coats-of-arms, belonging either
to the Box or Rigbyes, of Harrock Hall, England, from
which the Georgia family of Box were descended. This fam-
ily also descend from the old Netherclift family, allied to
the families of McQueen, Waldburg, Morels and Jenkins,
as a Netherclift married into each of the above families.
Captain T. Netherclift, of the Light Infantry Company, is
found among others taking the oath of allegiance to King
George I. in Georgia about 1770-5. We find among the
prominent patriots of 1776 the name of Philip Box, member
of the Council of Safety. He married Elizabeth Rigbye,
daughter, or granddaughter, of *Noah or Henry Rigbye, of
Harrock Hall, England, and the Box family lived at a place
called Harrock Hall, near Savannah, Georgia
. Philip Box
and Elizabeth Rigbve had issue —

We are  excited to find this bit of information.  Being rank amateurs in history sleuthing, we are not sure how to proceed, but I thought you might have some suggestions as to whom we could contact to gain further insight into Philip and Elizabeth and how they came to Savannah.

If you have any ideas we would be most appreciative.

Thank you so much!

Sharon Bordeaux

On 27 Nov 2012, at 19:02, Peter Ainscough wrote
Presumably your correspondents will have seen this entry from English Heritage describing the building and its listing?

5/83 Harrock Hall

House. Early C17. Extended early and mid C19, probably replacing earlier work, and restored c1980. Sandstone ashlar with slate roof. A symmetrical composition of 2 storeys. Centre of house has rebated and ovolo-moulded mullioned windows with transoms, and 2 drip courses. In the centre is a 2-storey canted bay window which has cross windows on 3 sides and a single light on each return wall. To the left there is one bay with 5- light windows. To its left a 2-storey porch projects forwards. This has a 3-light window on the 1st floor and an outer doorway with round head and moulded imposts. The inner doorway has a Tudor arch. Projecting slightly at the left is an early C19 bay which has chamfered quoins, 2 drip courses, and tripartite sashed windows with Gothick glazing. To the right of the bay window the house exactly mirrors the left-hand half, but the tooling of the stonework suggests that it is a copy, possibly of the mid C19. Above a cornice is a parapet, with rounded battlements over the outer bays and over the central bay window. Interior: not accessible at time of survey (April 1987), but recorded by RCHM in 1977 before restoration. They noted plastered beams in the hall with quarter-round mouldings, and a C19 stair which had cusped cast-iron arches set into timber balusters.

Listing NGR: SD5077212440
Source: English HeritageListed building text is © Crown Copyright. Reproduced under licence.

On 27 Nov 2012, at 19:06, Peter Ainscough wrote:
Hi B -This also may be of some interest.
John Rigby (martyr)
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Saint John Rigby (ca. 1570 – June 21, 1600) was an English Roman Catholic martyr who was executed during the reign of Elizabeth I. He is one of the Forty Martyrs of England and Wales. (He is called "Thomas" Rigby in The Autobiography of a Hunted Priest, p. 81 footnote; Pellegrini & Cudahy, New York, 1952, a story about the Jesuit priest John Gerard.)
Rigby was born circa 1570 at Harrock Hall, Eccleston, near ChorleyLancashire, the fifth or sixth son of Nicholas Rigby, by his wife Mary (née Breres). In 1600 Rigby was working for Sir Edmund Huddleston, whose daughter Mrs. Fortescue was summoned to the Old Bailey for recusancy. Because she was ill, Rigby appeared for her, was compelled to confess his Catholicism, and sent to Newgate. The next day, the feast day of St Valentine, he signed a confession saying that since he had been reconciled to the Roman Catholic faith by Saint John Jones, a Franciscan priest, he had not attended Anglican services. He was sent back to Newgate and later transferred to the White Lion. Twice he was given the chance to recant, but twice refused. His sentence was carried out. On his way to execution, the transport carrying Rigby was stopped and Rigby again asked to conform to the Church of England, to which he replied: "I am a bachelor; and more than that I am a maid."[clarification needed] The Earl then asked Rigby for his prayers. Rigby was executed by hanging at St Thomas Waterings on June 21, 1600.
He was canonized in 1970; his feast day is October 25. Saint John Jones, the priest who had reconciled Rigby, had died at the same place Rigby had died, St Thomas Waterings, two years earlier, on July 12, 1598. 
The Rigby link looks good.

Sharon - you might also like to read this entry about ownership, the Rigby family & Harrock Hall from 2010 too. John Cobham is a useful source of information and local to you. His contact details can be found in the entry Im pointing you to.

Wednesday, November 21, 2012

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Hi all

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